Talk:WIWinlink digital net procedures
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I created this article so we can modify it for state. Like you said there are some minor details to be modified.. Here is where we can Play with it You an also leave ideas from anyone here and work out how it should be worded before modification if you want. Anything in Red is another article that needs to be filled in. Blue is existing linked article. jim --KB9MMA 13:24, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
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all good questions
Let me Try drawing a picture for you.
See DNCS attachment..
As you probably know already, with digital you can compress time and increase accuracy. Any messages we are getting will be one 100% accurate, and be relaying far more information then you can do on voice.
So my argument for taking a little longer to manage the digital net, will by far more make up any perceived loss in time. Remember we are on same level playing field with Email, not Voice.
Any messages, pictures, etc.. will be relayed in a timely manner. As soon as you hit the send button, you start multitasking, Paclink in the background, you are onto the next message. On to the questions.... I have chosen to break them up to avoicd confusion...
netstart
From: Tim Pierce mailto:.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:30 PM
To: kb9mma@kb9mma.com
Subject: Re: winlink net stuff
Hi Jim,
Yes I did get a chance to look over it. A couple questions to help clarify things. I don't think I've seen this anywhere on the wiki site, but if it is there please point me to it.
Net start,
Who all is this message going to be sent to? Without anyone being checked in there will be no one to send it to. And if people are checked in they should already know it... let me know if I missed something.
>> This is how I have run it.
I don't send this untill I get some check-in's. about 5 min after start, ergo you have a destination. If you don't have check-in's less work for DNCS.
I am assuming here that the people are told to check-in to the digital net by another NCS person. IE people with the capabilty will check in, we will have a roster and I am assuming people can read.
"Envision messages on thier way or already recieved by you". DNCS first message is to welcome them to the net This keeps messages down to a miniumium and relays alot of info in one message.
Do realize that you may get messages for checkin ahead of time, to handle traffic.
IE say someone has is done with a net, they fire off thier traffic on winlink, go to dinner, come back and see if they have any messages during or after the net. Or i they have to do something else while operating.... >end >>>
Also you will note, check-ins thruout the net, and at half hour updates of who is check in...
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From: James Markstrom mailto:kb9mma@kb9mma.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:37 PM To: Tim Pierce Subject: RE: winlink net stuff- DNCS question
dncs
>start> DNCS questions.
Say kb9uaj is net control that week. people would be checking in with YOU... with a cc to kb9mmc-5 As you touched on below the next step is to reply with the net script opening...
example is given on wiki, see below.
traffic along to all those checked in?
Actually I take check-ins like in normal net, but a net opening there is a very small delay in the opening statement.
i only wait 5-10 min max to send out net opening.
http://www.w9udu.org/wiki/index.php/WIWinlink_netscript
You would send a message out basically like the net start section.
This lists all parties in net and if they have traffic
(NOTE as in your third paragraph, YOU being DNCS has traffic already with thier check in message.) They have also listed thier capabilities and traffic to you.
I suppose you can we can specify who assign as Liasons, etc in this start message too. The point is to start the net, take check-ins' handle traffic as appropriate.
http://www.w9udu.org/wiki/index.php/WIWinlink_digital_net_procedures
see ( checking - in and out examples).
If you were a liason to NTS system, the sender can specify that to the DNCS. >>end>>
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efficiency
RE: winlink net stuff- efficiency Or would it be more efficient to have stations when checking in to also give there traffic and then NCS send out the traffic in one large message or just have it ready to go and send out multiple messages.
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YEP, it is efficient to have stations when checking in to list their traffic on thier check-in..
(avoids you having to ask, expect you will have nubies, but trained winlink operators, will get thier messages to you right!)
You as DNCS, will start firing it out in Normal Priority order as soon as you hit the start net script button, techically you already have it, so your ahead of the curve.
Your still the traffic cop. If there is not desination, you hold the traffic, untill the portal opens up where you can send the traffic. This is great in the instance, of people being busy, or winlink can be your repository for holding traffic. A excellent example is to send all voice net traffic to your winlink liason. They can type it up and send it or hold it until they see someone check in. >>>>>
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winlink net -
how to i respond as a operator
If someone has a query to a piece of traffic do they just reply to NCS (the ncs then forwards to the traffic station) or do they do a reply-all and have the traffic station reply-all back to everyone. >
Depends.
Remember NET rules apply.
Email ettiquette applies...
What is scope? and content.
Only practice and good operating will teach that.
You will figure you TO: addressing ( where you are sending your message). 1- all parties. cc: DNCS, any back-up NCS, kc9mmc-5@winlink.org ( distro list might help here).
Also keep in mind that what you don't think is important, the DNCS may, and forward your message to others.
Good example is, on voice you can copy lots of info, by just listening. I would equate a reply all as to the same. Even if you don't think it is important it may save time to REPLY all becuase maybe someone in madison has traffic for you. or needs to get a hold of you. use your best judgement.
At a minimum the DNCS knows you are there, following net procedure. That let's them know your there, instead of waiting DNCS updates.
this is purpose of the nets...
delay
RE: winlink net stuff - Delay I guess my concern is if there is a large amount of traffic (GMR for example) there could be up to a 20 minute delay from the time a message is sent, until received. And for the sake of not having people sit around for a really long period of time in front of their stations it may be more effecient to change it a little and have each message all inclusive. Just a thought.
>>>> I have tried that... I may have addressed that in the begining. But here is some more. ONE as an operator, you send message on the best way as possible. We are not usually relaying email while someone is bleeding.
What would you do if you have 50 messages all marked urgent on one message. It would be too cumbersome to the DNCS and people in the net. one big huge giant mess.
I have found keeping messages clean, and specific they can be addressed one at at time.
Now, that Doesn't Keep the DNCS from selecting several messages orignated to DNCS to the same desination! I think this is what you are refering to, same as organizing messages on voice. IE example If you have 5 priority messages destinated to madison. HOLD CTRL and click on them , Hit forward. put in a short add on Like 5 priority thru to madison.
Compose youre message CC the manadatory parties. and whamo! you just handled 5 pieces of traffic..( of course they are all identified properly in the submessages. This will enable the destination party to print or go thru them.
>>>>>
RE: winlink net stuff - Catch-all..
catch-all
As a voice NCS, you assign a backup. This is redudnacy...
"In case of a *DNCS malfunction*, all stations report to backup digital net control for roll call. Should your station be contacted by net control, please respond
- NCS will be the catch-all for digital traffic*, please copy
kb9mmc-5@winlink.org & *DNCS in your cc*: field This serves as a log and in case a station goes offline, NCS can forward the message on."
>>this refers to the sending station. Ie If kb9mma sends a message to DNCS.. DNCS can act as a relay in case the originator goes offline.
>>>
Just to clarify we talk about the DNCS as being the primary. Then in the
next paragrahph is talks about the NCS and DNCS being different? They
way I read that is they are one in the same.
>> that could be a Jim kb9mma ( i may have overlooked that that is why i asked you to review)...
Clarification:
Any Digital net control= I say NCS it is same as DNCS..
Feel free to edit the wiki to change those clarifications...
crystal? jim
net report
RE: winlink net stuff - net report.
Net Report - is that just being sent to the net manager and ASEC-Digital or all partitipants?
>>> Technically NM and ASEC- Digital are minimum requirements But to save the DNCS time you can sent that at your net close, this is optional for DNCS. I like to show the participants their results. Net control perogative on that one.. ;) >>>>
post mortums
Let me tell you I am huge fan of lessons learned, and feedback. Let me tell you I am very open to try stuff, I do not view this documentation as inflexible.
That would be silly.
Actually you wouldn't belive the Revision i have done already, well you can look on the wiki history.. :) I am just trying to get a good working version so we can use. we can publish this one and update more later on lessons learned. Perfection is for people who are bored... !
I would expect this to be always a continual work in progress.
that is why I use a WIKI now.
" colaborative tool"
I will post the comments to the wiki on this..
